Pelicanen

> “no goalpost moving”

> immediately moves goalposts

Thank you for proving my point.

Now you’re just moving the goalposts and playing with words. Your initial comment only said

NATO membership is off the table, virtually no NATO country wants Ukraine to join.

Which is absolute nonsense.

Ukraine is currently in a war and already pretty early on after the start of the full-scale invasion there were discussions that a country joining during wartime is not something that seemed plausible but that a membership when the conflict is over is something that almost all members stand behind.

You mentioned nothing about it being effective immediately in your initial comment and only claimed that virtually no NATO members want Ukraine to join.

France: “The Participants reaffirm that Ukraine’s security is integral to Euro-Atlantic and global security. France confirms that Ukraine’s future membership of NATO would make an effective contribution to peace and stability in Europe.”

Germany: “‘It was agreed at the last NATO summit that Ukraine should be given the prospect of joining NATO. A joint NATO effort is needed here, so I do not agree with those who say that we should immediately give up on Ukraine’s membership in NATO before negotiations with russia,’ Merz said."

Now you’re just parroting talking points from the Kreml.

Almost all of the NATO countries want Ukraine to join except for Russia’s lapdogs, ergo: Hungary, Slovakia, and the US.