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    These businesses still operate on profit and loss. They can’t just move to full electric because in 100 years world might warm up by 4 degrees. If you want electrification, then make electricity and batteries cheap in the first place

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      Public transport is not a for-profit business, therefore you should not expect it to generate cash. You wouldn’t expect highways, national defence or a hospital to bring in money. However a functioning public transport network reduces costs caused by high car usage such as pollution, parking, traffic accidents, traffic jams, higher road maintencance.

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        Public transport is not a for-profit business

        In the end everything is for profit business. New fleets of buses won’t magically pay for themselves. City may subsidize the public transport, but it’s because the increased economic activity and quality of life attracts people and businesses resulting in higher tax revenue.

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      It’s not „might”. The alternative is to burden our children with horrifying cost. Yeah, we can be selfish - it’s more convenient. I don’t think regular people should bear this cost but everywhere I see people are against rising taxes for the rich so this is what they get.

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        Rich pay fuck ton of taxes. Most of EU has progressive taxation and capital gains tax. What else do you want? Unlike in USA there’s no ‘Buy, Borrow, Die’ loophole allowing tax escape when inheritance happens

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          When was the last time wealthy stopped getting wealthier faster than the rest of society? 70s? That’s about how long wealthy have been systemically preferred over everyone else.

          You might say GDP grows but this is what’s underneath:

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            When was the last time wealthy stopped getting wealthier?

            This isn’t even a problem. You should strive for increasing quality of life for everyone rather than some idealistic notion of equality. People aren’t equal, period. Some have great ability to run business or produce goods, others don’t. Inequality is inevitable.

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              Money is your vote on what the society should produce. Income inequality actually fucks over everyone except the wealthiest. That’s why everyone is bombarded with ads for luxury items. While housing, food, and medicine is becoming more unobtainable.

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              That’s very reductive and convenient for the wealthy. It will be convenient until we reach wealth inequality that US just reached. What they have now is about same as 30s Germany and 90s Rwanda. This alarms me but it doesn’t alarm you so I must assume you’re fine with the outcome.

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                What they have now is about same as 30s Germany and 90s Rwanda

                I don’t know much about Rwanda, but I can tell that claim “Ineqaulity caused Hitler” is pretty much wrong. You’re trying to say, that the people fed up by the inequality between elites and the poor voted Hitler into power, but that’s not what happened. It was the majority party SPD - German Social-Democrats - who put him in the chancellor position. Nazis had something around 20% and two biggest parties were Social Democrats and Communists.

                I’m constantly amazed that these events are given so little time in the history classes in schools.

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                  So you’re saying historically it was the moderates or centrists that enabled fascism? Fully agreed but that’s just one more case in point that we should be changing course.