Getting up earlier doesn’t give you the opportunity to enjoy all the free-time outdoor activities that are possible in the afternoon after school or work. It’s good enough for things like going for a short walk or run by yourself. But it’s not good for any organized team activities, activities dependent on other people being at work, activities that need more time - like when you need to drive somewhere, you don’t mind to return later when it’s dark in the evening, but you don’t have enough time in the morning, because you need to get to work or school in time, so it all becomes kind of stressful…
Yes, everyone has their preferences and it’s anoying if you’re not in the prefered group. If one group is much larger, I think it’s good to consider their needs a bit more though in this particular case. It’s also healthy to discuss compromises, which do exist even in this case.
The matter can also be much more complicated than just one prefers this and one prefers the other - I think we’re just scratching the surface. I’m not sure about all the sociological, psychological and economic implications.
I prefer the summer time myself, but I’d happily support any winter time iniciative if it seemed like it was getting traction, because I just hate the time changes so much.
For me the sensible thing would be to go back to normal time before the DST nonsense. If people want to adjust their working hours then they can just do that. Builders and farmers already follow they daylight because they must - no reason others can’t do the same. It literally does not matter what time the average office drone works.
But whatever is chosen in the end, I just want DST to stop.
Because we don’t even get Summer Time or winter time forever. And Germany for example has a party in charge for old people. Or in general we don’t have parties at all for Kids which would say. Hey if we get rid of winter Time it’s dark for the kids. Let’s make school start 1h later. In Germany the States are making the School rules and not Germany itself.
Most young children do need to be walked to school, or pre-school, if you will, and not just that - parents need to make sure that they had a proper breakfest, that they got dressed well, that they brushed their teeth, that door must be locked properly, the lights turned off… Young children are still learning basic things each in their own pace, and although they can often do a lot by themselves, they cannot be relied on completely - the parents are the ones with the responsibility. They cannot just leave and let their pre-shool or young school child take care of everything.
Doesn’t change the fact that many parents do and it would be a massive voter issue if a law for picking between winter/summer time were to be proposed.
Darkness making going to school unsafe sounds to me like a problem with infrastructure. Many people live in countries where during the winter kids go and leave school in darkness. Why does it make it unsafe?
Kids in many countries go back home after it gets dark. It’s being safe in the morning of being safe in the afternoon and also enjoying some outdoors activities that they couldn’t in the dark.
Summer time. Every time. I’d rather it not be pitch black at 4pm where I am. I’d rather take the extra bit of darkness in the morning.
I also love it being 9pm in June and still having near full daylight ❤️
You know why this sucks? The kids which have to go in the dark to school. I am ok if it’s a little bit dark early so the kids are safe.
Then… why… not just open the schools later in the day?
You could say the same to the people wanting summer time: just get up earlier
Getting up earlier doesn’t give you the opportunity to enjoy all the free-time outdoor activities that are possible in the afternoon after school or work. It’s good enough for things like going for a short walk or run by yourself. But it’s not good for any organized team activities, activities dependent on other people being at work, activities that need more time - like when you need to drive somewhere, you don’t mind to return later when it’s dark in the evening, but you don’t have enough time in the morning, because you need to get to work or school in time, so it all becomes kind of stressful…
I understand. I guess what really annoys me about this suggestion is that it imposes the preference of one group upon the other.
Yes, everyone has their preferences and it’s anoying if you’re not in the prefered group. If one group is much larger, I think it’s good to consider their needs a bit more though in this particular case. It’s also healthy to discuss compromises, which do exist even in this case.
The matter can also be much more complicated than just one prefers this and one prefers the other - I think we’re just scratching the surface. I’m not sure about all the sociological, psychological and economic implications.
I prefer the summer time myself, but I’d happily support any winter time iniciative if it seemed like it was getting traction, because I just hate the time changes so much.
For me the sensible thing would be to go back to normal time before the DST nonsense. If people want to adjust their working hours then they can just do that. Builders and farmers already follow they daylight because they must - no reason others can’t do the same. It literally does not matter what time the average office drone works.
But whatever is chosen in the end, I just want DST to stop.
Because we don’t even get Summer Time or winter time forever. And Germany for example has a party in charge for old people. Or in general we don’t have parties at all for Kids which would say. Hey if we get rid of winter Time it’s dark for the kids. Let’s make school start 1h later. In Germany the States are making the School rules and not Germany itself.
Because the parents need to be able to transport the younger kids to school before they go to work. The changes would have to be much larger.
If there truly is a need* for parents to drive their children to school then that is a huge problem that needs to be adressed first.
*I mean need, not just the attitude that their particular Kevin is the most special to grace this earth and can’t possibly walk 200m
Most young children do need to be walked to school, or pre-school, if you will, and not just that - parents need to make sure that they had a proper breakfest, that they got dressed well, that they brushed their teeth, that door must be locked properly, the lights turned off… Young children are still learning basic things each in their own pace, and although they can often do a lot by themselves, they cannot be relied on completely - the parents are the ones with the responsibility. They cannot just leave and let their pre-shool or young school child take care of everything.
No they don’t need to be driven nor walked. My whole country sends 5 year olds to walk to kindergarten, nevermind 7 year olds to school.
Parents who don’t give their children any responsibility are doing them a great disservice.
Doesn’t change the fact that many parents do and it would be a massive voter issue if a law for picking between winter/summer time were to be proposed.
We are in agreement. It is a problem that needs to be solved.
Darkness making going to school unsafe sounds to me like a problem with infrastructure. Many people live in countries where during the winter kids go and leave school in darkness. Why does it make it unsafe?
Kids in many countries go back home after it gets dark. It’s being safe in the morning of being safe in the afternoon and also enjoying some outdoors activities that they couldn’t in the dark.
My country has daylight savings and I still went to school at night, so that point is kinda mute.