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This article is about Germany rapidly increasing defence spending, and also the fact that they’re considering conscription. I also found this interesting:
A recent YouGov poll showed that 79% of Germans still see Vladimir Putin as “very” or “quite” dangerous to European peace and security. Now 74% said the same for Donald Trump.
Thoughts?
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Yeah keep eating up the propaganda of how air defense, submarines and ships -that carry the aforementioned air-defense- (about 90%+ of all military deliveries to Israel) are used to genocide Palestinians and is totally not defense against actual hostile neighbours.
PS Also actual stuff classified as “weapons” in those military deliveries of the last years consist (after striking of training ammunition and some explosives for testing purposes in military development) one single order. One. That was for anti-tank weapons (source: the International Court of Justice, as cited for example here.)
Yes, I know… actual details are always bad for keeping some ideological black and white view of reality. But you can in fact criticise the pseudo fascist fanatics in the Israelian government and their genocidal idiocy and not support their action in Gaza while at the same time acknowledging that this does not take away from the fact that Israel has a right to exist and to defend itself against the very real threats in their neighbourhood.
I get what you’re trying to say, but the thing about submarines is that you need them as a third element of the triad.
This comment is absolute proof Germany is already fully fascist.
“Fascism is when someone argues with actual facts that don’t support my narrative.”
Fascism is when people make excuses for sending weapons to support a genocidal Apartheid in the middle of a genocide,
Is international law propaganda now? I’ve only heard Zionists say that. Are the headlines of UN health workers found buried with their hands tied behind their backs propaganda?
“Israel has a right to exist” is one of the biggest red herrings in political discourse. It’s phrased to portray an abuser as a victim.
Israel does not have the right to do what it’s doing now according to international law. Peaceful protestors in Germany have the weight of heavy handed policing coming down on them for this subject alone, exclusive of other subjects. Even a meeting with Francesca Albenese turned nasty - not at the hands of the group, but the German state.
There’s more to just weaponry to a genocide, and Germany is complicit. So next time you’re pontificating about facts, don’t forget to include all of them. And check your definition of “propaganda”.
No international law is international law.
The international court is interpreting international law.
Crying about Germany’s support of a genocide while the International Court of Justice (and thus international law) disagrees -and lists factual reasons for their decision- however is either desinformation or a lie.
Help me out here… What do you call desinformation/lies spread to further your agenda again?
The ICJ has not ruled that genocide isn’t happening though, has it. Please show me where it does and I will happily wait. It has ruled that there is a plausible case for genocide and that Israel must take steps to prevent it. That is why the case is ongoing. The fact that you’re misrepresenting this ruling as a dismissal of genocide claims is, in fact, disinformation.
Germany is one of Israel’s largest arms suppliers. War crimes and crimes against humanity don’t only require bombs and bullets—they also require the financial and logistical infrastructure that Germany helps provide during the assault on Gaza.
People have a right to live in safety and dignity. That includes Palestinians, who are being systematically displaced, starved, and slaughtered. Germany’s repression of peaceful protest against this is another sign of its complicity.
If you’re truly so invested in “factual reasons,” then you should engage with the actual content of international rulings and human rights reports rather than dismissing criticism as propaganda. It’s an irresponsible way to conduct online discourse.
Correct. They have ruled that Germany is not taking part in it. Because 91% of the deliveries to Israel for years consist of ships, anti-air and torpedos for their submarines (while the remaining stuff is armor, armored glass, protective gear -funny how helmets are a joke when delivered to Ukraine but a weapon to genocide Palestinians when they are going to Israel, isn’t it?- etc and in fact all “weapons” that are potentially to be used in Gaza were in fact reduced to zero.
Yet the narrative is important and so you will always return to “Germany being a big supplier for Israel”, constantly ignoring that we know what they actually supplied. And will twist my words as somehow being an argument against a genocide happening, when I did explicitly talk about the fact that Germany is supporting that genocide.
If you are so keen on “factual reasons” please tell me were my facts are wrong or how Israel is dropping corvettes on Gaza. (Yes that phrasing is polemic to make a point. You are free to do the same, if you actually have a point beyond I don’t want to acknowledge what doesn’t fit my narrative.