Gift link, so it should be accessible to all.
oh no not the expansion to the game no one even remembers
dude they shut down monolith and canceled the only game with a nemesis system we were going to play. nothing they do is newsworthy anymore. they were always shitty but now they’re also completely pointless.
lets just create an alternate wizarding universe.
i mean, she stole the idea from someone else anyways.
this could just be a “cruel reflection” minus the TERF nonsense, and wizards shitting on the floor.
Instead of palworld A wizworld
minus the TERF nonsense, and wizards shitting on the floor.
I get the TERF stuff, but why go after such a highly regarded part of official canon lore?
There is a lot to say about JK Rowling and trans right, but this topic is kinda devolving into an unnecessary flame war.
I’ll keep as much comments as I can, but some of them clearly violate both LW TOS and community rules, and thus will be removed.O WB. I hope you to under and loose all your licenses and copyright.
Only would buy if Rowling wasn’t around to receive the money from that, for now, only piracy
Oh no… anyways.
JK Rowling is a transphobe, a bigot, and a fascist.
It’s actually so refreshing seeing upvoted comments here with the correct take, whereas the chuds would be all over this on the other site
Fuck JKR and everything she stands for
and yet, there’s plenty of dogshit apologists in this thread arguing to “just let people play games” because they have zero self control. this place is literally no different than the other.
I’ll never get that mindset. Just fucking pirate it if you need to play it that bad.
Or buy a used copy, which is what I did. Physical media for life!
i have a comment elsewhere in this thread saying to do that, lmao. i also have mean enough comments that the mod removed them.
If you respected the rules it wouldn’t have to be moderated.
Calling Rowling a terf is OK (you are stating the obvious in such case), telling another user to fuck off, or for specific group of people to die isn’t.
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Ah, “rules” that can’t be really learned from because you removed the comment from even my own comment history. You’re obviously insinuating something with that last sentence but, frankly, i can’t recall what i wrote at the moment.
These people LITERALLY want to dehuman and take rights from trans folk, but i’m required to tolerate that without calling them names?
and before any miserable “bothsides” fuck cries “you’re doing the same”. i didn’t start this shit. i’m not taking womens rights away. i’m not also trying to ship people off to foreign prisons.
make nazis dead again.
You can take a look at the modlog if you are curious about your own comment. It is public.
The only limitation being, unfortunately, comment thread removal, in such case only the first comment is shown, which is why I tend to avoid it.
You’re right, both sides aren’t the same. One side has devolved into foregoing what we like to think of as humanity because they have a boner for hate and the other makes excuses on why degrading themselves to the same level isn’t the same.
It’s a play on words. I’ll skip the nuances and get right down to the core, “they started murdering people, so I’m murdering them back”. But here’s the thing, killing is still killing, even in self-defense. No matter how many justifications, running away from this concept only serves to bring you ever closer to the mentality of the other side.
The very simplified “both sides” is alluding to the idea that both are very much willing to give up empathy, ethics and law if it means getting rid of the opposite side. The selective application of these three concepts is what bridges you together in a way that makes an outside observer say “so similar, they might as well be the same” a.k.a. “both sides”.
No exception to empathy, no exception to ethics, no exception to law, no matter how saintly and no matter how evil.
Yeah true. It’s generally better from what I’ve seen but nazi chuds really are everywhere.
they came for the GAMERS so they just HAD to speak up.
So is a massive chunk of murica
So she’s not even been original?
Nothing she’s done has been original.
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It’s disappointing that even here on the fediverse people are cheering for the franchise of someone who’s sole motivation these days seems to be hating trans people.
Because there are people who can still love a franchise and not the person who created it?
Wow, blew your mind.
Because they keep making terfs richer. Don’t know why that seems such a hard concept to understand. Just admit that you don’t give a shit about trans people and move on.
A single terf who is already as wealthy as a person can be so any additional wealth doesn’t matter. Being a toxic shithead to people for being a fan of something is not going to help trans people, nor is it going to make JK Rowling lose all her money.
On the topic of JK Rowling. Has she been really silent the past months or did I just miss the times she has been posting hate like her life depended on it?
Maybe she got rid of the mold and her brain is in healing.
I hope her pile of money fell on her and crushed her to death
There’s about a thousand and one other people involved with the franchise after 8 movies, 3 spinoff movies, a play and a dozen or so videogames.
Rowling is pretty much irrelevant to the fandom and people aren’t into the HP stuff because of her.
She is directly benefitting from the sales and people buying Harry Potter stuff know that.
Yeah so are about a thousand other people who worked on the franchise/product in question and may be very positive influences on the world.
Trying to deny a literal billionaire money is symbolic at best.
Do you feel the same about boycotting Tesla?
If you are a fan of HP your choices are few and far between. If you are a fan of electric cars there are tons of better options that you can choose from. Adding on to that, the level of investment in both are orders of magnitude apart. What’s more, Tesla as a company has a reputation of having lots of issues of racism and misogyny in the workplace. I think the two are different enough that one can buy the blame and boycott Tesla without any hypocrisy.
I don’t because they’re not really comparable. Not in their intended effect nor their feasibility.
There are many other electrics cars, many of them better and/or cheaper and entirely interchangable. Boycotting Tesla just means getting a direct substitute instead. There aren’t any substitutes for HP games because the IP itself is the whole point.
Another point where they’re not comparable: Tesla isn’t the problem here, Elon is and he needs to go. And he can be gotten rid of, which is the entire point of the boycot. Meanwhile, there is no mechanism legal or otherwise to remove Rowling from the equation. She owns the IP and no amount of boycots will change that. The only thing boycotting HP products achieves is making the companies involved fail and preventing any further HP products from being developed. So what does that achieve?
Finally: we are talking about a woman saying mean things about trans people on the Internet versus a man actively dragging the USA into fascism as if these are equal problems requiring equal responses. As much as I empathise with trans people in that this issue can be much more real for them than it is for me, I still don’t think they’re anywhere near the same level of urgency. I have yet to see Rowling have any kind of meaningful effect, while Elon is currently rampaging through every institution he can reach.
So: given that boycotting Tesla is both easy, effective and urgent, while boycotting HP is a personal sacrifice for no real effect, surely you see the difference?
It isn’t for “no real effect”. Harry Potter is a merchandise empire and it’s important to see how that empire is being utilized. Open fan support of Harry Potter is often used as a direct open signal of anti-trans support and Terf ideology. Here in Vancouver where we have a larger than average population of trans and non-binary folk and more open accommodation to the community a billboard was put up saying “I❤️ JK Rowling” downtown because it’s a more nebulous dogwhistle that wouldn’t immediately ping Canada’s hate speech laws so that the whole “Freedom of Speech” ploy could be envoked.
Whenever a new HP franchise item comes out there’s a wave of people who flood online and sometimes in person trans spaces who use the barest veneer of support of the franchise as a means to say some truely awful things about trans people. Some don’t even bother mentioning the franchise they just participate in the storming because they have the opportunity. Those spaces are often filled with vulnerable people seeking support and solidarity and these rushes can leave isolated trans people without community for weeks.
Here in Van someone wearing HP merch in any queer space is throwing up a flag that says “I am potentially an unsafe person.”
Article of the billboard.
http://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5722244
You don’t have to give up your books. All we ask is that people do not white knight the author or the publication and merchandising empire which keeps making her influence into an active memetic weapon.
Hmm on the one hand is kicking trans people down the stairs and on the other hand is having enough self discipline to not consume a single franchise. Yeah you are right, this is a tough choice! lmao, personal sacrifice my ass
Hyperbole and bad faith arguing is not compelling anyone to support your cause or your point of view
kicking trans people down the stairs
This level of hyperbole makes you sound like the MAGA crowd, dude
Tesla has a ceo that is arguably evil, his companies flaunt labour laws and he is actively trying to make the world a worse place through multiple means.
The HP writer makes mean tweets and complains women use her bathroom.
Both are bad people, but not even remotely at the same level.
you are wrong . She is not just making mean tweets, she is doing very real damage to queer people and women irl.
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I think it’s really interesting that the christians used to have a huge hate boner for Harry Potter when I was growing up but now it’s shifted to the left sphere. They all kinda flip flopped
Extremists on both ends demand purity of thought
BOtH SiDeS
Mixed case, brilliant rebuttal!
Considering how many people didn’t vote for Kamala because they weren’t 100% happy with her stance on Palestine; yes, you dense motherfucker.
Both.
Fucking.
Sides.
Every time I see Harry Potter or J.K. Rowling’s name in the news I look for comments like these to restore a tiny bit of my sanity.
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. Especially when you’ve only ever read one book.
Warner bros has no idea how to media anymore. They forgot about looney tunes characters. They cancel their movies after shooting before release. They do t make dlc for games that sold like hotcakes. All they did was patent the nemesis system. what the fuck are they doing?
Nobody knows but it really gets the people going
WHY?! WHY ARE THEY BEING SO STUPID WITH HOGWARTS?!
They built this whole world into the game and did NOTHING with it! It’s empty! Hogwarts the settings is perfect! The castle was fun to walk around in, to explore! I 100%'d the game because I loved exploring in it! Then they did nothing else to the game. I don’t even remember what the antagonist’s name was!
The game oversold all expectations! People just loved shelling out money for it! Then WB just dropped it.
I see things bitching every day about how their game studios don’t make enough money and then they shit the bed here by just letting that game sit here!
If they’re actually worried about money why are they not cranking out DLC every 4-6 months?! People would buy it! The world they built is begging to have more stories told, and people are holding out their wallets asking for more content for it - and they cancel it?!? They can’t bitch and moan that games don’t make money and then they just flip the off switch on their freaking money printer.
Thanks. That was cathartic.
WB doesn’t seem to know how to release any media post 2010.
They keep trying to shoehorn IP into trends, years after market saturation to try and capture nostalgia, and then wonder why they didn’t meet sales targets. See MK1, Space Jam 2, or anything related to HP or LotR.
The other thing they do is when they do have an interesting or original idea with the IP, the executive team seems too risk averse to put any capital behind it. See the two new Loony Tunes movies, one was in theaters for less than a week and the other was scrapped entirely for a tax writeoff.
What’s MK1?
Mortal Kombat 1
Mk sucks now, soulless
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We know. She sucks.
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Yeah fuck her, I got it secondhand
They also closed Monolith, a great studio behind e.g. FEAR amd Shadow of Mordor games. They are making all the wrong decisions, and then will wonder why they have lost to competitors.
I loved shadow of mordor/war, and always wondered why they didn’t make another. However I also guess better to go out early before it’s done to death
They didn’t make another because they were forced to make a game that was Wonder Woman and live service. How does that work? Clearly they didn’t know either since they spun their wheels for like seven years, lost all their old staff, and then got shut down.
Yeah why would they keep making games that were successful when instead they could make games that no one asked for
Someone high up in WB asked for it, clearly someone who knows better than all those developers and consumers
/s
Some of the best games are games that no one asked for.
I liked SoM but War felt like a worse dlc
It’s genuinely baffling watching WB just make like, every wrong decision. Their business is losing money and every time a project that receives praise or interest is announced/released that is nearly guaranteed to make them lots of money.They just don’t go through with it. Or they do some work on it then can it.
It’s like, even out of touch executives at other large companies have enough feelers to find out generally what people are enjoying. Then with all their money they throw something in that general direction and something eventually sticks.
With WB though it’s like, nothing is working. The things that do stick don’t make as much as they thought. And the things that they don’t think will make money do make money, often more than they thought… And then they just always find a way to either piss off everyone, sour and sabotage the future projects, or just don’t do anything with it.
It’s just so fucking weird. Like I don’t even enjoy or partake in most of the stuff WB puts out. But sitting on the sidelines and just watching it all unfold makes me question what drugs the leaders at the company are on…
You could replace every mention of “WB” in there with “Bungie” and it would still be true
I’m glad I’m not the only one genuinely confused by this. Are they shorting their own company? What is going on?
I mean, a Gollum game?
It’s been especially bad over the last year. WB is in freefall at this point.
It seems it would be pretty easy to blame this on David Zaslav, but the games department specifically has been fucking up like never before: Mortal Kombat, Multiversus, Gollum, Kill the Justice League. Just name a WB game that came out, and it’s been an abysmal failure, with similar games from other studios doing much much better.
For real.
They could’ve been making GTA levels of money. Soooo many people were able to overlook the terribleness of the author just to be able to be in the Harry Potter world.
They’re still moving forward with the sequel (at least according to the article), so if I had to guess they figured they missed the boat with the expansion and want to focus on the sequel instead.
Which is fine, but I have no idea why they’re just throwing everything they have in the trash. They built the whole world and just sat on it. Expansions could make them so much money to fund the next game in the short term
Yeah, I was surprised given the success that they didn’t even spit out something to keep people engaged with the game. Seemed like even a small content update or doc would have pulled people in.
Hopefully it just means the follow-up will be even better.
Seriously they could have done sims level DLC and people could have just kept buying. New mounts, small new areas, bits of story here and there, a new class
They very well could be implementing that stuff into the sequel.
Probably more expensive than they realize and too much work
Then they really are horrible at gaming because there are millions of people chomping at the bit to pay any amount for dlc to that game
Why’d you give money to a terf?
Because I’m tired of being told what to be outraged about
You’re supposed to be able to figure it out yourself. People wouldn’t have to tell you these things if you were smarter.
My trans friends purchased the game, too. One of them specifically because of the well-done trans character, they said “I want to support whoever wrote that character into the game”
Almost like projects with 100s of people working on them are more complicated than “one person gets a tiny share of each purchase so it’s completely bad”
SIRona RYAN might sound like a transphobic name at first, but it turns out, Sirona is the name of a Celtic goddess. Who was often represented with a snake and eggs.
Not a well done character. Which isn’t surprising, when the lead writer for most of the project was a member of Gamergate https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/5/22315226/hogwarts-legacy-leavitt-resigns-developer-avalanche-youtube-gamergate
Shut up lmao
Ever looked at an advert? Bought a computer? Eaten food produced by a multinational chain like Nestlé? Almost every action you take will involve generating money for an absolute shit. It’s fine (even encouraged) to let people who might not know that Rowing is a horrible bigot, but don’t have a go at someone for enjoying a fucking video game.
That’s not an excuse to not even try.
nah, they asked a question. it’s a loaded question for sure, but they asked a simple question. stop enabling.
How? There are no good corporations. We are all enablers. There is no conscious consumption under capitalism.
stop enabling
What does this even mean?
stop enabling terfs. stop enabling punching down. stop enabling fascism. stop enabling ignorance.
I’ve seen plenty of “punching down” towards people who buy a game simply to enjoy it. It’s kind of happening in this thread.
If I buy a Trump bible to “enjoy” it, would you say that is wrong just because I give money to a fascist that is hellbent on killing minorities? Would telling me off be punching down as well?
ah yes, Gamers the MOST oppressed class of people.
bad faith argument that any sane person would be embarrassed to have uttered.
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This arguments won’t go anywhere, except a flame war.
So please, both of you, kindly accept the disagreement, and move on.
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Not OP but I bought it for my sister who is notoriously impossible to buy birthday presents for because she explicitly requested something for once, then I played it through Steam family sharing to deny at least one sale of the game.
I’m suprised and a lil’ confused why you would share this story in response. Respectfully, it feels like you’re shifting blame. Like, okay, sure, It’s your sister’s birthdays fault you gave money to a terf.
I mean, you do you but if the trans persecution isn’t a deal breaker when it comes to something so basic as media choices. Then, whatever. Own it.
Totally valid criticism, I absolutely agree with you. Times are tough for trans folk and giving money to transphobes is not helping that.
Looking back on it, I wouldn’t buy it having seen how far off the deep end she has gone. I admit I dismissed her at the time as just a nutjob on Twitter but she’s now proved to me that she is a bigot beyond reproach.
I also find myself in a better educated position than I was at that time. I have more LGBTQ friends and family than ever and I’m challenging anti-trans behaviour in others when I spot it.
It’s less about giving money to the woman herself and more about how HP and JK Rowling are used as memetic weapons. Every release of a new property has seen a rush of transphobic actors invading trans spaces for years. Invoking the name of the author and showing solidarity in a lot of contexts is a not subtle way of showing support to the veiws expressed by the Terf ideology during a time when being trans is becoming criminalized in more places. The news isn’t generally covering it well but Texas is passing laws where it is a criminal offense to misrepresent your birth sex at work or in public government spaces.
“Oh but it’s just money” isn’t so much the problem. It’s the cover this entire conversation about ethical consumption or the lack thereof in daily life is providing to people throwing up open flags of anti-trans bigotry in public and using that as a tool to band together to attack the community and send open messages that trans people are not welcome in ways that the average cis person will dismiss as just “they like kid wizards”.
Regarding your confusion and surprise, the person you replied to merely gave their reason why they bought it and supported a transphobe, and it was because this person’s sister requested that game specifically.
I know the question posed was mostly rhetorical in nature. But I’m not sure why you are questioning why someone is answering the question, and I’m not sure what kind of satisfactory answer you could get from anyone who had purchased the game (and supported a transphobe, yes, which I haven’t).
The rest of your comment is a legit response, but I’m only pushing back on the first sentence of your reply. Or even moving that sentence to the back of your comment to make it less charged. If someone’s going to answer a loaded question, let them, but get to the point about how misguided they are with their justification before you question the answer. That would likely make for a more constructive discussion. Unless you think that these answers are unhelpful in the first place, that we’re better off not hearing why people have done transphobic things with different intentions, and we should refuse to give them space to reflect, learn, then own up to their transgressions if they don’t come right out of the gate to apologize. Then sure, ignore what I said.
My wife has been really enjoying the game
Well you see the reason for this is simply that WB is stupid.
(please do not support TERF content, pirate it if you really want to nostalgia bait yourself)
because dlc is not something you just “do”. it’s something of a scale and complexity that needs to be planned out from the go. If the dev team is allowed to cook you might get an Assassin’s creed 2 situation. but this company will almost certainly not allow that to happen.
(please do not support TERF content, pirate it if you really want to nostalgia bait yourself)
Is someone upset they can’t fork over more money to the rabidly transphobic piece of shit and the media conglomerate megacorp?
Seeing how the game prominently features trans characters and that Rowling wasn’t involved in making it, it probably doesn’t bother many people.
I want to support media that show and empathize with trans people, and Hogwarts is one of them. But yes, even though she was not involved, she surely is receiving some royalties due to the setting.
Rowling has enough money to donate to shitty politics for the rest of her life ten times over.
Attempts to “not support her” are about 3 decades too late and entirely irrelevant at this point beyond making people feel good about themselves. She doesn’t need your support nor even registers it.
We’re talking about the world’s first and only writer to become a billionaire with her books here.
hogwarts is not the place to do that then. there are plenty of other queer games out there to support queer game dev. instead of pretending that giving money to rowling is doing anything to support trans people.
It would be ridiculous to pretend so. Giving money to trans-supportive games absolutely does though.
you are giving money to rowling with the purchase of any offically licensed harry potter product. that allows her to continue pushing her bullshit.
there are actual trans-supportive games out there to support and stop trying to make excuses for your inability to get past your nostalgia.
Rowling having slightly more money makes no difference to her spewing her views, she is set for life anyway. Yes I’d like to avoid giving her money, but a much stronger signal I’d like to send is that a game with trans characters sells well.
She explicitly said that she would use the royalties she gets from the game to lobby for transphobic organisations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_capitalism
it means nothing besides them trying to profit from the nostalgia ridden queers. again, yall could support actual queer works instead of work with a thin veneer of it.
Right message. Wrong tone. Assuming you want people to fork less money to the transphobic piece of shit.
You do want that, right?
coddling the oblivious to enable the bigots has not been a winning strategy on any front if you simply look around.
I imagine, and I’m no English expert, that there’s a line somewhere between coddling and mindless rant.
Oh shit, the tone police are here. I’m not under the impression the person I’m responding to is going to change their behavior after this has already been widely talked about to death for years, and so I really don’t care what tone I use. This person is helping make the lives of real, actual, perfectly innocent trans people (and especially the lives of trans women) hell because they a) don’t care about those people or somehow more pathetically b) do care but can’t restrain themselves from buying themselves a children’s toy to that end.
I get it. Venting online is way cheaper than therapy and twice as effective.
Good. Fuck that entire franchise and the bitch who proliferated hate off the backs of its fans.
Ding dong the witch is dead
Which old witch?
The wicked witch
Lmao all the potterhead dweebs are gonna be malding over this one.
Y’all should read another book sometime, play a different game. Who knows, you might like it.
Still waiting for them to drop Denuvo so I can pirate it. Yes, I am aware there are some old builds out there, but I know what kind of crazy circumvented Denuvo in those. No, thanks.
Yeah, I got a virus when I tried
Whatever do you mean empress is completely well adjusted person who has never said anything questionable even once.
/s in case that was necicary
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Nobody here cares as much as you do
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